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Expandables VS Cut on contact
Cory C
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23-Jan-2008
6:31 PM
Which is best?
Old Bowman
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24-Jan-2008
5:35 AM
I have never hunted with expandables I do not believe in them. I have used cut on contact Bear Archery heads for years and have never had any problems, just keep them sharp. Old Bowman, White Plains, NY
nighthunter
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25-Jan-2008
3:16 PM
I have used fixed blades(thunderhead 125), expandables(many different models) and cut on contact(G-5 Montec).I loved the thunderheads for their performance and the availability(any Walmart). I got lazy, did not want to spend the time to tune in my broadheads, and went to expandables. It did not pay off. Substantial loss in penetration due to the force needed to open broadhead...severe deflection with shots located at angles(blades not opening). Recently I have used the new G-5 Montecs and love them. Good arrow flight, great penetration(cut ribs in and out), and can be resharpened. Down side to G-5 Montec is availability. Stock up on some if going on hunting trip.
lesson learned: take the time to do it right... tune in broadheads & practice with them.
Dale T.
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28-Jan-2008
1:45 PM
I beleive the best are expandables> I have shot Grim Reapers for 5 years and have never had a deer go more than 60 yards. The trick to using expandables [in my opionion] is by shooting an arrow that is around 9.5 to 11 gpi. I shoot a Browning illusion set @ 70lbs, easton axis @ 28" Blazer vanes with grim reaper 125. I have used this same set up for hogs as well with the same results. Remember shot placement is the key hit them right and they'll be dead. Des Moines, Iowa
Albert D.
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29-Jan-2008
7:30 PM
I have to agree that expandables are better, I have shot Spitfires with a great deal of sucess. They are also easier on target damage. I shoot a PSE Firestorm set @ 65 lbs Beman ICS hunters 340 @ 27.5" 100grn.head I have always had a pass through even on bears and hogs. Concord,NC
hunter1

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31-Jan-2008
8:09 PM
Muzzy 3-blade 100 have been the best for me. I have tried expandables but when they do not open on a foam 3-d target I'm not going to shoot them at any animal. There are some very good fixed broadheads on todays market. Take the time to tune your set up to the broadhead you choose and the practice with them. Not all heads fly like the practice heads either. I use 2 or 3 dull heads,shoot each one at different spots or vitals. Fletchings get expensive if you keep cutting them off. Plus this way you are sure of where your arrow should hit when crunch time comes.
CallMaker

1 post
17-Feb-2008
5:45 PM
Cut on contact 2 blade always. They have served me well for 40 years of hunting. That's all folks....
hunter1

22 post s
18-Feb-2008
7:23 PM
Has anyone tried the new Hellrazor by NAP or G5 by Montec?
Bear-man
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21-Feb-2008
6:32 AM
Is there really a best broadhead? I have used Muzzy 125 Phantoms for 6 years and have never had a bear go more than 50 yards. For deer I use NAP Spitfire expandables 100. So I use both cut-on-contact and expandables and have never lost an animal to date.

Hershey, PA

Matt K.
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27-Feb-2008
4:27 PM
The Tekan II expandable have worked great for me on deer, antelope and elk.

Cheyenne, WY

Grady
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2-Mar-2008
7:29 PM
I have had the best luck with thunderheads 100 and muzzy 100.
Wilmington, DE
Lance R.
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2-Mar-2008
7:33 PM
White River Junction, VT

I have used both Muzzy 3-Blade and Spitfire exp. and have had good luck with both.
Shoot them in the boiler room and you should never loose an animal.

Eric
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3-Mar-2008
5:33 PM
I have used Simmons Sharks for the last 2 years and have had excellent luck with them on Hogs, Deer and Elk.

Reno, NV

buckmasterPSE
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4-Mar-2008
8:46 AM
I use muzzy mx4's its a great broadhead
i us them because if shot them at a deer I know it's going to do some damage but expandables well sure they leave a bigger hole but would you rather a smaller hole with cut on contact or miss the buck of a life time because you're expandable opened while in flight and goes of by three feet I mean it does happen my advice is stick with cut on contact because if you practice there is no way there is any thing going to go wrong with you're broadhead if you get that shot.
Muleyman
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6-Mar-2008
5:39 AM
I hunt in wide open areas where shots can be up 80 yards if one has practiced enough.I use muzzy 3-blade, one can not go wrong with cut on contact.
Doug
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8-Mar-2008
5:01 AM
I have used Crimson Talons 125s for years with great sucess. You can not beat cut on contact as far as I am concerned.

Bloomfield, VT

Fred
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18-Mar-2008
6:31 PM
I used slick tricks last year. They shot the same as my field points and accurate @ 30 Yards I do not shoot any farther than that. I only wish I took a few pics, never even thought of it before but I will this year.
Thanks for a website that does not put all the hipe into killing big animals.

Akron Oh

Heritage Hunters

1 post
19-Mar-2008
3:28 PM
We've used a bunch of different heads with varied results. There was a time when I used and swore by Muzzy. While I still like them, I now use the mechanical Grim Reaper. These heads have peformed well on way too many deer for me to just go to something else. I would try similar styles I guess, but IMO they are quality heads. Notice I didn't say "You can't go wrong" with these heads. Mistakes, Mishaps and just plain bad luck can happen with any head on the market. The most important thing is practice and making sure your equipment is in tune.

Happy Hunting!

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Arrowflinger
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27-Mar-2008
1:24 PM
HH, How is the penetration with the Grim Reapers? Do you have complete pass thru's? I use Spitfire 100's but always looking for better performing expandables.

Arrowflinger

Heritage Hunters

4 post s
28-Mar-2008
9:00 AM
Arrowflinger,

The penetration we've gotten over the last few years with the Grim Reapers were excellent. It's tough to compare penetration between other broadheads on the market because of the vast number of variables in every shot situation. Having said that, I've personally had pass thrus out to 30 and 40 yards (my max) with the Grims as well as pass thrus (lengthwise) on deer at 15 yards. I say lengthwise because the deer whirled hard when I shot (I was on the ground) and my arrow entered just in front of the shoulder and exited out the offside hind quarter. The deer ran about 80 yrds downhill and expired. I'm a poundage of 70lbs and around 270fps.
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MaineBowhunter

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5-Apr-2008
12:10 PM
Hello, just wanted to throw in my two cents. I've harvested 11 whitetail and 10 turkey with NAP Spitfires and Shockwaves, 100 grain models. Some have been taken out to 40 yards and some as close as 9 steps. I am amazed each and every time I take an animal with one of these heads. Quick, clean kills and awesome blood trails each and every time. Not a single flaw with flight or penatration. Shots have been taken at various angles and I've never experienced problems with deflection. Two years ago I took a stocky 170lb (dressed weight) 9 point at 20 yards with the Shockwave. The head completely destroyed both front shoulders as well as collapsing both lungs. Needless to say the buck did not go far! I have complete faith in these broadheads. Thanks!
Heritage Hunters

6 post s
5-Apr-2008
7:20 PM
MaineBowhunter,
I too have used the Spitfires with good results. Both the Spitfires and Grims are good heads. I will be testing the Hypershock 100's from Aftershock Archery this year and I'll let you know my results.
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Bweger

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10-Apr-2008
9:33 AM
I have been using Rage broadheads for the past couple of years. I shot 3 blade rages thru a 60# PSE and was getting pass throughs on hogs every shot. Now I shoot the 2 blade Rage and unless they quit making them I will shoot them from now on.
Anonymous
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21-Apr-2008
10:41 PM
I cant honestly say there is one head out there that will do it all. I killed 13 deer last year with my bow. I used rocket sidewinders for 12 of them. I used a marden vortex 100 for the last one of the year.
I shoot expandables. Like I stated above, I have never had a rocket sidewinder do me any in-justice. I can honestly say that I have never lost and animal due to anything but my poor shot placement and patience. ANd that has nothing to do with the head.
I will say that using the heads I stated above , I have found more poorly hit deer than I have lost with them. My best advice to anyone is find a head that shoots the best with your equiupment and shoot straight. Like everyone else said. If you double lung and animal they will only go so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BustedAssRanch

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30-Apr-2008
8:10 AM
I have always used COC this year I tried grim reapers, I liked them, I carry both now till I fully trust the Reapers. I did shoot 2 deer this year with them with clean quick kills. 1 did not leave a blood trail worth anything, but I hunt from the ground (we have no trees for blinds or tri-pod concealment) so if I shoot heart/lungs the chest holds the blood till they drop.
Heritage Hunters

11 post s
30-Apr-2008
10:04 AM
The Grim Reapers are great! No doubt about it. I shot a doe on the ground last year and she went about 50 yards and piled up. Most trailing experiences have gone the same way with the Grims. I am trying the Hypershock 100's this year from Aftershock Archery. They are expandable and I'm curious if they'll live up to the Grims or not.
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hunter1

109 post s
1-May-2008
7:28 PM
Has anyone used or tried the Tekan II by G5 outdoors? It looks to be interesting. How about the new Tru glo or Piston point?
joel137

5 post s
8-May-2008
6:49 PM
i use the two blade nuge blade from magnus.i tried spitfires they were okay too.but i figure the less moving parts the less chance for any thing going wrong.hey if aint broke............
okiecowboy49

2 post s
13-May-2008
7:30 AM
ive had some good luck with the grim reapers but havent tried many of the others
Buckman

26 post s
29-May-2008
3:57 PM
I have muzzy mx4's but have not got to use them yet but hopefully I get to use them during expanded or some time this fall:)
sash

3 post s
9-Jun-2008
10:06 AM
I in the past have used fixed blades.
but im thinking about moving to the Rage mechanical.
they open from the back and cut as soon as impact starts so they cut like a fixed but fly like a mech.

anyone have any thought on these?
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Heritage Hunters

13 post s
18-Jun-2008
5:58 AM
Sash,
The rage mech. are a very good head. I would check whether the 3-blade type is legal in your state. The 3-bladed became illegal in NY recently because the blades tend to get wedged after opening and can represent a "barbed" situation getting stuck inside the animal (in the event of not finding the deer, etc.) As far as I know though, the 2 bladed mech. are fine to use and work very well. I like the design on the 2 blade.
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sash

7 post s
3-Jul-2008
8:24 PM
I will check into that, but I dont think we have any regulations on broadhead type here.
you could ( if you wanted) even hunt deer with a .17hmr

I would be interested in more info on this problem with the Rage. I am looking for a Good Broadhead with a large cut for bear hunting. I shot a bear in 06 with a 2 blade fixed Nuggent BH and lost the bear. the blood trail was good at first but then just stopped. With a bear they have alot of fat and the fat will seal up around a wound ant stop the bleeding to the outside. so Im wanting a monster cut for bear hunting.
Im even kicking around setting up 2 diff bows 1 for Deer and 1 just for Bear, as well as using different arrows for the bear as to get as much KE ad possible.

any input on a monster cut BH would be welcomed.

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Nitehunter

19 post s
6-Jul-2008
9:46 AM
Sash,
I have shot several black bear with a bow and arrow. I really think a separate bow set up is not necessary. Shot placement is key. Bear do have alot of fat but it is not typically in the sweet spot area. Make sure you stay forward of midline yet behind the shoulder. The basic anatomy of a bear is similar to a deer. There is little fat or muscle covering the ribcage. Therefore, if you are busting through a deer without concern and having a decent bloodtrail...I would use that same set up on a bear.
Based on past experiences one of the keys to recovering a bear is time. After the shot, relax...playback the shot in your mind. I do not even move from the stand for 30 minutes...regardless of how confident I am of the shot. Bear typically have an escape response that equates to 20 to 40 yards and stop. One of the very worst scenarios is to "jump up" a wounded bear. They can and will run for a considerable distance.
Good luck!
nate

6 post s
11-Jul-2008
2:43 AM
I am a two blade man myself but I have used mech's in the past. There is nothing wrong with them at all if you stay with a quality head. There is alot of junk on the market right now but there are alot of good heads too. If I was going to shot a mech. bh, I would have to go with the shockwave by NAP. I pesonally like the 125gr. When I can find them,(usually on ebay) I will buy the old slammerhead by rocket. This mech was the baddest on the planet IMO. I have a bow that is set up to shoot them.

However, nowadays when I grab a bow It is one that is set up for a two blade COC head. I recently got in with Steel Force. I really like the Phat Head series. Owning a hunting ranch has let me see hundreds of set ups.There are BH's mentioned in here that when I see them show up on the ranch, I just cringe inside. In the end, what is most important is where the BH enters the animal. Always keep that in mind.
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hunter1

136 post s
7-Aug-2008
7:14 PM
I have always been a Muzzy fan, 3-blade 100's. I have used them faithfully. Now I am thinking of trying the Crimson Talon XT 100's this year. Has anyone used these or any cut on contact Crimson Talon broadheads. I would like to now what you thought of them.